I never understand why people keep saying "do not include Frozen girls and Moana on any of polls here, they're not DPs" Otherwise it's THEIR polls and polls didn't prove anything. Well except that you refer countdowns, that makes sense why you shouldn't include them. But polls in general, no. I think most peoples here already know if Frozen girls and Moana aren't part of DP lineup.

Also, I found a lot of older polls include Esmeralda, Meg, Jane, Giselle, etc. but nobody even complain about that. And recently there are a lot of polls about Disney remakes and, "which animated character voiced by...do you like best?" here and most of them are not even relate with DP at all, and again no one complains. Seriously?

I remember my first time here in a few years I honestly thought that the Frozen sisters and Moana were in the lineup so I had them in a countdown and I had people complaining rather than just explaining that they weren't in the lineup. I remember my first pol here I had NO idea about the Disney Princess franchise (I for real thought that all princesses in the Disney movies were considered "disney princesses") I put up a poll about disney princess moms and I put in Nala's mom, Kida's mom, even Mia from Princess DIaries mom and rather than explain what I did wrong I just had a lot of really mean comments and I didn't understand WHY

Look. Do we regularly see Nala, Kida, Megara, Esme, or anybody else in polls here who are not official Disney Princesses?? NO WE DO NOT.

Polls with Moana, Anna, and Elsa do not belong here, either.

You're getting comments that say don't do this, because this club isn't for these characters.

Those other polls ( about actors/actresses for the live-action remakes) don't belong in this club, either. They belong in the Random Club.

I agree with Sparklefairy. Also, I think that there's some leeway with including these characters because not only do they have some kind of royal status, but Disney treats them as if they were official. They're heavily marketed and are even included in the W-IR2 scene.

I think the same as ApplesauceDoctr they are royalty and disney treat them like official Disney Princess members so what with the people that dedcided that they are not in the franchise for being too pouplar by themselves and because Frozen is going to have a sequel these are two very stupid reasons because most of the official Disney Princess have sequels except for Merida, Snow White, Aurora, and Tiana + if they join the official Disney Princess they will be more popular than now so what is the problem Wavesurf they will appear in Wreck It Ralph 2 with the others.

The problem here is... then what is the purpose of the Childhood Animated Movie Heroines Club? If we're going to make the Disney Princess Club accept ALL non-official DPs, then maybe we should therefore accept the appearance of Princess Leia from Star Wars, Princess Suri from Black Panther, Princess San from Miyazaki's Princess Mononoke, and Princess Sofia and Princess Elena, too.

The more the merrier route would then be more and more difficult to decide. Because, they're ALL Disney, and they're non-official DPs in some capacity. I'm throwing this out there, so that you get a real picture of what saying-- include non-official Disney Princess creates.

Frozen and Moana are not marketed with Snow White through Merida. And just because they show up in PIXAR's Wreck It Ralph sequel--- when we all know PIXAR always "plays loose " with any project from Disney that they receive---- is making a huge assumption. I fail to see how we should use a single movie appearance to upend the entire function of this club and other female heroine clubs on Fanpop.

wavesurf Wreck-It Ralph isn't Pixar

^ True. But it's more like PIXAR than it is like a Disney Princess movie.

If people are in agreement with having many more characters "considered" to be DPs, then be fair... and accept all of them all across the board.

Purely because I believe they will eventually add them, especially since their appearance in the Wreck It Ralph movie.

I think the same as Misscinico that they will be added to the franchise eventually especially since their appearance in Wreck It Ralph 2.

Just because this is a good discussion: wavesurf, I see what you're saying, and I kind of agree that making exceptions with them might not be the best choice. But there's one detail that separates these three from the characters you mentioned: they are part of the Walt Disney Animation Studios canon. Not that this fact alone means they should be considered official, but it's one of the reasons why I almost think of them as such.

It does bother me when they include Anna and Moana.

I dont mind if it is just Elsa

I agree with the above that if these new princesses are being included then the older ones like Alice, Esmeralda, Giselle, etc. should be included as well. And by that logic, you can't say no to Leia, Mia, Dejah, Shuri, etc.

@Applesaucedoctr: Well, I know that Elsa, Anna, and Moana are canon, but so is Giselle, and she was never added. And since most of Frozen seemed to point out that the whole idea of what Disney considers a princess to be "is upside down"--- I'm not really all that enamored with Elsa and Anna joining the lineup. Farce and popularity are half of Frozen's appeal. And neither element has appealed to me at all. I don't get a kick out of humor that's based on mocking other legacy/predecessor characters.

And the same with Moana.... Moana doesn't consider herself a "princess." Just because Maui at last gives us ( Disney's audience) Disney's definition of a princess in his one-liner ( and it even sounds pretty lame), doesn't mean that I'm enamored of Moana for saying she isn't one. It actually would feel counter-intuitive to me, to add Moana to the lineup, based on her denial of princesshood, just like it feels counter-intuitive to me to add Elsa and Anna to the lineup-- when they mock the prior Disney Princess movies as much as Giselle's movie did. I'm not into "mockery." If Giselle got a shot at being in the lineup and lost it, then Elsa and Anna got their shot, and Disney Executives chose to create their own franchise. Moana got her own franchise, too.

Wreck It Ralph is a mash-up. It brought in all kinds of old arcade video game characters, and lots of old time feels. It's bringing in all of the popularity from other movies, and pushing franchises in, for combined effect.

But Wreck It Ralph's inclusion of everybody is not a barometer of princesshood eligibility. I don't consider it one. Disney is cautious with this.... because in the fandom, there are still great numbers of people who outright didn't like Frozen and were "just okay" with Moana. Disney could be worried about lots of panning in social media like it had back in 2014 and 2015, when Frozen was "relatively new," extremely overexposed in marketing, and they saw a break in the fandom between love of it, and increasing hatred of it.

Putting these characters into the lineup might kick off the fractious stuff all over again.

One the disney princess have their requirments to be in the franchise so it do not make sense what Phalangerina said about Leia, Mia. Shurii and Dejah this are:
1) They need to have a important role in a animated Disney or Pixar movie.
2) They need to be humans or humans alike.
3) They are not introduced in sequels.
4) The character has either been born royal, married royal, or has performed an act of heroism.
5) The overall critical and box office success of the film can be seen as the deciding factor as to whether or not a character can join the franchise. This explains the absence of Eilonwy and Kida.
6) The princesses have animal sidekicks like Maui states.

So that means no live action characters as disney princess.

Giselle is not a Disney Princess because Disney has to pay Amy Adams for life if they used her image.
Alice is too young to be in the franchise

^Number 5 in your list, is the only one that really matters here. Elsa, Anna, and Moana are popular enough to have their own franchises, and don't need to be in the lineup.

And they don't need to appear in polls on the Disney Princess Club on Fanpop, when they have a separate franchise that is not Disney Princess. Their appearance in Wreck It Ralph 2 ( when that franchise lumps characters from any and all famous media movies together) does not matter.